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. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: tonight, in a heated exchange about taxes, an echo of that moment. >> the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes, is cut the morning deduction for middle class people. cut the health care deduction for middle class people. take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. that's why they are -- >> is he wrong about that? >> he is wrong about that. it's been done before. >> it has never been done before. >> a couple of times. >> jack kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- >> reporter: at the end, each man summed up and both chose to attack. >> my friend says that 30% of the american people are takers. romney points out 47% of the people won't take responsibility. he's talking about my mother and father. talking about the places i grew up, my neighbors. he's talking about, he's talking about the people that built this country. all they're looking for is an even shot. >> president obama, he had his chance. he made his choices. this is not what a real recovery looks like. you deserve
. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: tonight, in a heated exchange about taxes, an echo of that moment. >> the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes, is cut the morning deduction for middle class people. cut the health care deduction for middle class people. take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. that's why they are -- >> is he wrong about that? >> he is wrong about that. it's been done before. >> it...
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kennedy lowered rated -- >> oh now you are jack kennedy. [ laughter ] >> one of the astounding things about this whole thing, and the vice president make the point last night but romney in the first debate said he is not going to cut taxes on people. they will pay the same amount if that is it where is his job program? if he is not going to reduce their taxes, where is his job program? he doesn't have one. >> stephanie: yeah. >> this whole thing about raising taxes on small business banks is hysterical. ryan said 53% of income would fall under small business income. but 53% of small business income is earned by 3% of the businesses. they are not small businesses. they are very profitable organizations. >> stephanie: exactly. i couldn't be happier -- what -- obviously you have been talking to a lot of people since the debate. what was your sense? >> i thought everybody on our side thought it was a home run. and i'm not the first one to say this, but the fact that the republican were harping on joe being ruud and smiling too much understand that they lost on substance substantially. the
kennedy lowered rated -- >> oh now you are jack kennedy. [ laughter ] >> one of the astounding things about this whole thing, and the vice president make the point last night but romney in the first debate said he is not going to cut taxes on people. they will pay the same amount if that is it where is his job program? if he is not going to reduce their taxes, where is his job program? he doesn't have one. >> stephanie: yeah. >> this whole thing about raising taxes on...
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. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> part of why the stakes feel so high tonight is that incumbent presidents almost always lose to the candidate challenging them in their first debate. the exception to that is bill clinton beating dole in their first debate in '96. other than that every time the first debate has been a killer for the incokucumbent president. president carter lost to ronald reagan, president reagan lost his first debate to robert mondale. president bush lost his first debate to bill clinton and ross perot. next president bush lost his first debate to john kerry. so when president obama lost his first debate last week to his challenger, mitt romney, that outcome was totally in keeping with the sad, sad incumbent president tradition of getting creamed in their first debate. but what hat means for tonight is that the democrats are looking for a solid performance to try to stop the republican momentum, to try to quash the poll imbalance that romney and ryan have been enjoy
. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> part of why the stakes feel so high tonight is that incumbent presidents almost always lose to the candidate challenging them in their first debate. the exception to that is bill clinton beating dole in their first debate in '96. other than that every time the first debate has been a killer for the incokucumbent president. president carter lost to...
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kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> done exactly right and is absurd. >> you know, i think the republicans that i saw during the debate and after were saying, that was rude he wasn't allowing him to talk? you know, what's wrong with that? i like the idea that he was doing the constant interjex. it was getting under ryan's skin. it was rattling him. what's wrong with the grimmaces, the constant heckling? the policies were one thing and i think getting in his face was just the right medicine last night. >> now, let me ask the big picture political question, dana, and i want margie to weigh in as well. the democratic base for mr. b biden or did it just help ril up the base? >> it did clearly energyize the base. people are asking does that turn off independents or undecideds. i think even if it did that to some extent, what needed to be done was the reverse, the narrative that had been in place since a week ago that the democrats were back on their heels on the defensive. joe biden was not on the defensive last night. he
kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> done exactly right and is absurd. >> you know, i think the republicans that i saw during the debate and after were saying, that was rude he wasn't allowing him to talk? you know, what's wrong with that? i like the idea that he was doing the constant interjex. it was getting under ryan's skin. it was rattling him. what's wrong with the grimmaces, the constant heckling? the policies were one thing and i think getting in his face was...
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jack kennedy, ronald reagan -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> don't bring up that. at one point during tonight's debate, paul ryan described the stimulus law as a giveaway to special interest groups. vice president biden had prepared a response to that one. >> i love my friend here. i'm not allowed to show letters, but go on our website. he sent me two letters saying, by the way, can you send me some stimulus money for companies here in the state of wisconsin. we sent millions of dollars. you know why he -- >> you did ask for stimulus money? >> won it occasions. we advocated for constituents who were applying for grants. that's what we do. >> i love that. i love that. this is such a bad program, and he writes me a letter saying the reason we need this stimulus, it will create growth and jobs. his words. i wish he would just tell -- be a little more candid. >> unlike last week's presidential debate, tonight's debate did include some discussion of women's health issues, specifically each side's stance on abortion. >> if the romney/ryan ticket, if those that believe ab
jack kennedy, ronald reagan -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> don't bring up that. at one point during tonight's debate, paul ryan described the stimulus law as a giveaway to special interest groups. vice president biden had prepared a response to that one. >> i love my friend here. i'm not allowed to show letters, but go on our website. he sent me two letters saying, by the way, can you send me some stimulus money for companies here in the state of wisconsin. we sent...
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jack kennedy lowered tax rates. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- republican and democrats -- republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> when we did it with reagan, he said here are the things we're going to cut. >> we're going to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. look, let me say it this way. >> that coming from a republican congress working bipartisanly? 7% rating? come on. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators he served with were democrats. he didn't demonize them, he didn't demagogue them, he met with the party leaders every week. he reached across the aisle, he didn't compromise principles -- >> and you saw what happened. >> and he balanced the budget. >> he did such a great job. >> vice president -- >> why isn't he even contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest -- what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce it long term? >> just let taxes expire like they'
jack kennedy lowered tax rates. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- republican and democrats -- republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> when we did it with reagan, he said here are the things we're going to cut. >> we're going to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. look, let me say it this way. >> that coming from a...
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kennedy-- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan-- >> pelley: there's the jack kennedy line from the vice presidential debate in which lloyd benson told dan quayle that he was no jack kennedy. but right there was a very good example where you could see the vice president's technique. he was stepping on ryan over and over. every time ryan got going on something, biden would laugh, step on him, cut him off, he was being very aggressive. >> he was like the guy in the barco lounger yelling at the tv while being involved in the debate itself which comes across, if you're trying to be the guy speaking to the middle class, that's the way it goes. but this question of math is quite crucial because this is-- as norah said, who do you trust when the hard math is being done. both the president and mitt romney have said we've got to schinch this budget in a time of scarcity. who is going to do that? who is going to be in charge of that when the hard cutting has it to get done? >> pelley: we have nancy cordes and jan crawford covering the romney and obama campaigns. and they're joining u
kennedy-- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan-- >> pelley: there's the jack kennedy line from the vice presidential debate in which lloyd benson told dan quayle that he was no jack kennedy. but right there was a very good example where you could see the vice president's technique. he was stepping on ryan over and over. every time ryan got going on something, biden would laugh, step on him, cut him off, he was being very aggressive. >> he was like the guy in...
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. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> it can be a tough line for a washington veteran to walk, touting experience without talking down to an opponent. something that george h.w. bush failed at during his 1984 debate with geraldine ferraro. >> let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro, between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> geraldine ferraro, the first ever female vp candidate, shot back with this. >> let me just say, first of all, that i almost resent, vice president bush, your patronizing attitude that you have to teach me about foreign policy. >> sometime just one line can cement the public's view of a candidate. ross perot's running mate, admiral james stockdale, initially got laughs for this opening line. >> who am i? why am i here? >> he ended up the butt of jokes for years to come. then there was bob dole's nasty tone during the '76 debate that helped shape a long-lasting negative image for the future nominee for president. >> i figured out the other day, if we added
. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> it can be a tough line for a washington veteran to walk, touting experience without talking down to an opponent. something that george h.w. bush failed at during his 1984 debate with geraldine ferraro. >> let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro, between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> geraldine ferraro, the first ever female...
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jack kennedy -- biden: oh, now you're jack kennedy. [laughter] ryan: republicans and democrats have worked together on this. biden: that's right. we told you what we're going to do. [inaudible conversations] rune ryan we're going to fill in the details. that's how you get things done. you work with congress -- look, let me say it this way. biden: that's coming from a republican congress working bipartisanly? 7% rating? ryan: mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators were democrats. he didn't demonize them, demagogue them, he met with those party leaders every week, he reached across the aisle, he didn't compromise principles, he found common ground, and he -- [inaudible conversations] >> moderator: vice president -- biden: why isn't he even contesting massachusetts? >> moderator: what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce -- biden: just let taxes expire like they're supposed to on those millionaires. we don't -- we can't afford $800 billion going to people mak
jack kennedy -- biden: oh, now you're jack kennedy. [laughter] ryan: republicans and democrats have worked together on this. biden: that's right. we told you what we're going to do. [inaudible conversations] rune ryan we're going to fill in the details. that's how you get things done. you work with congress -- look, let me say it this way. biden: that's coming from a republican congress working bipartisanly? 7% rating? ryan: mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators...
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jack kennedy lowers tax rates and -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> joining us now here in new york is salon.com's joan walsh and in washington michael scherer white house correspondent for "time." >> did i not know jack kennedy. he was not a friend of mine but i feel confident in saying paul ryan is no jack kennedy. would you agree? >> i would agree with that. and he walked right into that. he wahanded that to joe biden a it was hilarious. michael, my friend, literally my friend, not in the joe biden sense, michael is my friend, is in the beltway, i don't mean to dispaur raj beltway reporters, but paul ryan has been given such a pass. he has a reputation for being a worngy guy, good at the numbers. his numbers have never added up. he has this reputation for being a deficit hawk. as joe biden said he voted for the wars, for the new medicare -- >> the prescription drug benefit. >> he voted -- >> the bush tax cuts. >> the bush tax cuts, all of the bush budgets. he voted for a bush stimulus. in addition to voting against obama stimulus but asking for money, he voted for bush stimulus and
jack kennedy lowers tax rates and -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> joining us now here in new york is salon.com's joan walsh and in washington michael scherer white house correspondent for "time." >> did i not know jack kennedy. he was not a friend of mine but i feel confident in saying paul ryan is no jack kennedy. would you agree? >> i would agree with that. and he walked right into that. he wahanded that to joe biden a it was hilarious. michael, my friend,...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to bipartisan deals. >> when we did it with reagan, he said these are the things we'll cut. >> we'll fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress -- look, let me say it this way. >> republican congress, working bipartisanly. 7% rating, come on. >> 87% of legislators were democrats. he didn't dem niz them, dem going to them, he met with them every week, reached across the aisle, didn't compromise principles, and he balanced the budget. >> if he did such a great job. a great job -- >> without raising taxes. >> why isn't he contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce the long-term deficit. >> let taxes expire like they are supposed to on millionaires. we can't afford this going to people making a minimum of a million dollars. they don't need it tho. middle class people need the help. why
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to bipartisan deals. >> when we did it with reagan, he said these are the things we'll cut. >> we'll fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress -- look, let me say it this way. >> republican congress, working...
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senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator you are no jack kennedy. >> bill: oh, stab -- stick the knife in. but of course quayle ended up becoming vice president. here is jay calling from atlanta, georgia. how, what did you think? >> caller: good morning, biden came in like a professional fighter. he was armed with facts. he was talking about the car industry and how ryan and the republicans have made a request for stimulus out of one side of your mouth and that's the facts, ping, bang. i mean give me a break. i just wish that biden had a chance to talk about that false lies that they was saying that the president has raised taxes on the middle class. he hasn't raised any taxes. >> bill: he cut taxes on the middle class. i agree, jay, he hit them on every point. and i love when paul ryan's attack of the stimulus is not working, and biden said look at this guy, he sent me two letters requesting money. and ryan had to admit, yeah i did that but it was just on behalf of my constituents. biden was right on top of that one
senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator you are no jack kennedy. >> bill: oh, stab -- stick the knife in. but of course quayle ended up becoming vice president. here is jay calling from atlanta, georgia. how, what did you think? >> caller: good morning, biden came in like a professional fighter. he was armed with facts. he was talking about the car industry and how ryan and the republicans have made a request for stimulus...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> both campaigns are claiming victory. >> mr. ryan said that governor romney was a car guy. if they have an elevator stacked on their couch, i guess he was. >> there was one person on stage who was thought full, respect l respectful, steady and poised, the kind of person you want to turn to in a crisis and that was the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. i see these obama rallies and they're chanting four more years. our cheer is four more weeks. >> guys, i have to say, that was easily my most favorite debate of the season so far. i think biden was the clear winner, gave democrats the shot of energy they needed, hammered them on the 47%, hammered him on lying, said the facts matter. the moment where they talked about abortion was so destructive because ryan said i'm going to make you all do what i believe in my catholic doctrine and biden said, hey, i believe this, i respect catholic doctrine but i'll let you do what you want to do and made the case that the supreme
. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> both campaigns are claiming victory. >> mr. ryan said that governor romney was a car guy. if they have an elevator stacked on their couch, i guess he was. >> there was one person on stage who was thought full, respect l respectful, steady and poised, the kind of person you want to turn to in a crisis and that was the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. i see these obama rallies and they're...
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. >> jack kennedy proposed tax increase growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deal. >> but we told you what we're going to do. when we did it reagan. >> here's the framework and work together to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. look, let me say it. >> that's coming from a republican congress working bipartisanly 7% rating. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators he served with were democrats. he didn't demonize them. he didn't demagogue them. met with those party leaders every week. he reached across the & he didn't compromise principles and found common ground. >> if he did such a great job -- if he did such a great job in massachusetts why isn't he even contesting in massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce the long-term deficit? >> let the taxes expire like they are supposed to on tho
. >> jack kennedy proposed tax increase growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deal. >> but we told you what we're going to do. when we did it reagan. >> here's the framework and work together to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. look, let me say it. >> that's coming from a...
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jack kennedy -- biden: now you're jack kennedy. rick perry republicans -- republicans and democrats worked together. i understand you are not used to bipartisan deals. biden: here's the things we'll cut -- ryan: filling in the details is how you get things done. work with congress. mitt romney -- biden: working bipartisanly? 7% rating? ryan: mitt myth was governor of massachusetts. he didn't demagogue the deems, but met with them every week, reached across the aisle, didn't compromise principles, found commonground and balanced the budget. biden: if he did such a great job -- ryan: four times without raising taxes. >> moderator: what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially -- biden: let them expire like they are supposed to on the millionaires. we can't afford $800 billion going to people making a minimum of a million dollars. they do not need it, martha. those 120,000 families make $8 million a year. middle class people need the help. why does my friend cut out the tuition tax credit for them
jack kennedy -- biden: now you're jack kennedy. rick perry republicans -- republicans and democrats worked together. i understand you are not used to bipartisan deals. biden: here's the things we'll cut -- ryan: filling in the details is how you get things done. work with congress. mitt romney -- biden: working bipartisanly? 7% rating? ryan: mitt myth was governor of massachusetts. he didn't demagogue the deems, but met with them every week, reached across the aisle, didn't compromise...
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. >> jack kennedy. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> i think the vice president very well knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for a lost round. >> the fox news crowd could hardly contain its distaste to biden's performance. >> i don't believe i have ever seen a debate in which one participant was as openly disrespectful of the other as biden was to paul ryan tonight. >> it was so disrespectable i agree with chris wallace. it was sort of almost unprecedented and hugely condescending. >> on msnbc where the gang was so depressed over president obama's lackluster outing the mood was downright celebratory. >> this was joe bide and he gave president obama's campaign a much needed victory. >> it was a man against a boy. >> so how did the media fall in analyzing and could we be possibly exaggerating its importance. joing me now kelly goff politil correspondent for the root.com. and steve watkins, president of public affairs after george washington university and david frum, a cnn contributor and contributing editor f
. >> jack kennedy. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> i think the vice president very well knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for a lost round. >> the fox news crowd could hardly contain its distaste to biden's performance. >> i don't believe i have ever seen a debate in which one participant was as openly disrespectful of the other as biden was to paul ryan tonight. >> it was so...
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. >> i served with jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> that was really uncalled for, senator. >> all that trickle down, i call it niagra falls. >> senator dole and mr. kemp would put the the american economy and a barrel and send it over the falls. >> i see my wife and she's thinking i wish you would go in the private sec sor. zwl i'm going to try to help you do that. >> thinking of your plan, barack obama's offered a clear plan. >> your plan is a white flag of surrender. surrender. >> this is cnn. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> the vice presidential candidates, front and center tonight in a campaign that's very close once again. >> just 26 days before the election and we're seeing these debates tonight. >> a young gun republican appearing in his first national debate. >> we can turn this around. it is not too late to revive the american dream. >> an experienced democrat, returning to a familiar stage. >> they just have no credibility. it's not just what you say, it's what you don't. >> both
. >> i served with jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> that was really uncalled for, senator. >> all that trickle down, i call it niagra falls. >> senator dole and mr. kemp would put the the american economy and a barrel and send it over the falls. >> i see my wife and she's thinking i wish you would go in the private sec sor. zwl i'm going to try to help you do that. >> thinking of your plan, barack obama's...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deal. >> we told each other what we're going to do. here's what we're going to cut. >> we'll fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress. let me say it this way -- >> that's coming from a republican congress working bipartisanly? 7% rating? >> come on. >> mitt romney was goench of massachusetts where 87% of the legislatures were democrats. he didn't denonize them. he didn't dem going to them. he met with those leaders, he reached across the aisles. >> you saw what happened. >> you saw what happened. if he did such a great job it. >> mr. vice president. >> without raising taxes. >> why isn't he contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce the long-term deficits? >> let taxes expire like they're supposed to on the millionaires. we can't afford $80
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deal. >> we told each other what we're going to do. here's what we're going to cut. >> we'll fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress. let me say it this way --...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan. >> you are no jack kennedy, 24 years later. joe biden turned up the intensity after a lackluster debate performance at the top of the ticket. good morning. i'm willie geist and this is "way too early." in danville, kentucky, they were pressed from the moderator. some of the shorpest points of contrast came on the subject of iran's nuclear program and the two sides conflicting plans for medicare. the vice president made an effort to be engaged even when congressman ryan had the floor. unlike president obama, the vice president kept his eyes on his opponent smiling and shaking his head as the republican candidate attacked. >>> the hot topic of libya and the deadly assault in benghazi that killed four americans including the u.s. ambassador. president obama's deputy campaign manager suggested the only reason the obama's handling of the attack is because the republicans are talking about it on the campaign trail. she said that was reckless and irresponsib irresponsible.
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan. >> you are no jack kennedy, 24 years later. joe biden turned up the intensity after a lackluster debate performance at the top of the ticket. good morning. i'm willie geist and this is "way too early." in danville, kentucky, they were pressed from the moderator. some of the shorpest points of contrast came on the subject of iran's nuclear program and the two sides conflicting plans...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> here are the things we're going to cut. this is what he said. >> we're going to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress. let me say this this way. >> that's coming from the republican congress working bipartisanly, 7% rating. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators he searched with were democrats. he didn't demonize them. he didn't demagogue them. he met with those party leaders every week. he reached across the aisle. he didn't compromise principles. >> you saw what happened. if he did such a great job -- if he did such a great job in massachusetts, why isn't he even contested massachusetts? >> let them expire on those millionaires? we can't afford $800 billion going to people making a minimum of $1 million. they do not need it, ma
. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> here are the things we're going to cut. this is what he said. >> we're going to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress. let me say this...
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kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> now here's an object lesson for joe biden in a positive sense. eight years ago, dick cheney sat down against john edwards and he helped george w. bush stop the bleeding from bush's poor debate against john kerry. here's how that went. >> your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you senator gone. you've got one of the worst attendance records in the united states senate. the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> that was a complete distortion of my record. i know that won't come as a shock. it's amazing to hear him criticize my record or john kerry's. >> 30 seconds. >> i think his record speaks for itself and frankly it's not very distinguished. >> so what you have there is an older, experienced vice president, adopting just the right tone of kunds sencion to a younger rival. joe biden will try to do that against paul ryan tonight, guys. >> man, watching those clips -- >> gets us ready. >> spicy already. thank you
kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> now here's an object lesson for joe biden in a positive sense. eight years ago, dick cheney sat down against john edwards and he helped george w. bush stop the bleeding from bush's poor debate against john kerry. here's how that went. >> your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you senator gone. you've got one of the worst attendance records in the united states senate. the first...
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jack kennedy increased -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> some of those punches landed on both sides last night. this is what's happening over my shoulder. construction workers are taking apart what was martha raditz's desk. they're taking down the lights, et cetera, as they break down and start clean iing up what wa done here last night. cnn snap poll of debate watchers taken right after the dough bait shows that paul ryan won, ahead of four points. if you look at the margin of error, which is plus or minus five points, that poll is right within the margin of error. so, basically, it was a tie. want to get right to cnn contributor erick erickson, editor in chief of redstate.com. nice to see you, erick. >> thank you. >> you heard some of the back and forth last night, some of the highlights, i would guess. both sides have proclaimed that their guy won. you heard it in the spin room. i've seen it on twitter. people coming to talk to me this morning, their person had the decisive victory. ultimately you're going after people who are undecid
jack kennedy increased -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> some of those punches landed on both sides last night. this is what's happening over my shoulder. construction workers are taking apart what was martha raditz's desk. they're taking down the lights, et cetera, as they break down and start clean iing up what wa done here last night. cnn snap poll of debate watchers taken right after the dough bait shows that paul ryan won, ahead of four points. if you look at the margin of...
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kennedy. that serve came back at him right away. >> there was someone who tweeted no republican vice-presidential candidate should ever mention jack kennedy. >> want to get reaction from our man on the ground. john harwood is in danville, kentucky as candidates and their families gather on stage. what did you think? >> i thought paul ryan did well. i thought he held his own. when the discussion did get to the tax issue, we had a little bit of capsule what happened in this debate. you had paul ryan embracing the across the board tax cut mitt romney is running on. he was pressed by martha, who did an excellent job exactly specifically you do to pay for that tax cut, totally evaded that. what happened was as happened on other issues, joe biden got frustrated. you saw biden, he variously was laughing, smiling, got angry at times. i think there were times at which that demeanor did not serve him well. ryan did not get flustered. did have some republican political strategists who i talked to during
kennedy. that serve came back at him right away. >> there was someone who tweeted no republican vice-presidential candidate should ever mention jack kennedy. >> want to get reaction from our man on the ground. john harwood is in danville, kentucky as candidates and their families gather on stage. what did you think? >> i thought paul ryan did well. i thought he held his own. when the discussion did get to the tax issue, we had a little bit of capsule what happened in this...
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ronald reagan -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> reporter: biden went right at ryan over mitt romney's controversial comments calling 47% of americans who don't pay income taxes irresponsible. >> the idea, if you heard that, that little sol little quill on 47%, you think he just made a mistake, then i got a bridge to sell you. >> i think the vice president very well knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. >> reporter: when biden wasn't talking, he seemed oddly amused. by our count -- smiling or breaking out in laughter 92 separate times. expressive, often interrupting and occasionally personal. >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here's the deal. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> well, it means it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> it -- it is. we irish call it malarkey. >> thanks for the translation. >> reporter: and ryan needled ryan over the president's performance in last week's debate. >> i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost groun
ronald reagan -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> reporter: biden went right at ryan over mitt romney's controversial comments calling 47% of americans who don't pay income taxes irresponsible. >> the idea, if you heard that, that little sol little quill on 47%, you think he just made a mistake, then i got a bridge to sell you. >> i think the vice president very well knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i...
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jack kennedy lowered. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress, but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> well, don't take all the four minutes, then. that's a bunch of malarky. >> less than four weeks till election day, and two candidates wishing they could close the sale as well as this guy does. >> you okay? okay. what it does is it gives us an opportunity for us to be able to offer a piece of electronic equipment that is simple for children to operate but also mom and dad can operate it as well. >> you've just got to continue to sell the product. >>> when we come back, david gregory and tom brokaw join the conversation. also chuck todd live from danville, kentucky. >>> and later, house majority leader eric cantor and congressman chris van hollen. all that when "morning joe" comes back. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 let's talk about low-cost investing. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 at schwab, we're committed to offering you tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 low-cost investment o
jack kennedy lowered. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress, but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> well, don't take all the four minutes, then. that's a bunch of malarky. >> less than four weeks till election day, and two candidates wishing they could close the sale as well as this guy does. >> you okay? okay. what it does is it gives us an opportunity for us to be...
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. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> and tax cuts and auto bailout and those are big issues that got really heated between joe biden and paul ryan at last night's vice presidential debate so i immediately thoughthe person i would have to call on this to fact check it would be christine romans and she was available. thank you. so here's the deal. it just stands to reason that they both seem to say something with such confirmation in their voices and it's hard to say how this can be different. >> it's politics, my friend. talk taxes because i keep hearing this 20% across the board tax cut and then i hear the counterclaim, you can't pay for that. the math doesn't work. >> you can't make the math work. >> we have looked into this and the tax policy center says you can't make the math work. paul ryan's claim that you can cut it 20% across the board and keep it intact all of the while keeping it neutral and it says given the information available that we have about their plans is just not possible to cut that tax as much as
. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> and tax cuts and auto bailout and those are big issues that got really heated between joe biden and paul ryan at last night's vice presidential debate so i immediately thoughthe person i would have to call on this to fact check it would be christine romans and she was available. thank you. so here's the deal. it just stands to reason that they both seem to say something with such confirmation...
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ronald reagan and jack kennedy did it to increase growth. >> now you are jack kennedy. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> we told each other what we are going to do. we said this is what we will cut. >> that is how you get things done. let me say it this way. >> a republican congress working bipartisan way? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was a governor of massachusetts for 87% of the legislature he worked with was democrats. he did not demonize them. he met with them every week. he reached across the aisle and did not compromise principles. he balanced the budget. >> why is he even contesting massachusetts? >> from tonight's debate -- you can post and share clubs as you are seeing tonight from the debate. it is all from the debate hub on c-span.org as you watch and engage in the debates. from our twitter page -- curtis is on the phone from georgia on the independent line. >> i think that -- we have candidates today, we should be supporting each other. i think it is time to elect mature people and congress to give the country moving back the way it should be. >> t
ronald reagan and jack kennedy did it to increase growth. >> now you are jack kennedy. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> we told each other what we are going to do. we said this is what we will cut. >> that is how you get things done. let me say it this way. >> a republican congress working bipartisan way? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was a governor of massachusetts for 87% of the legislature he worked with was democrats. he did not...